posted 14 January 2010 11:34
At least Coach Mahood still has his coaching card! Yes, some FTV players lost their NCAA eligibility, but as I mentioned before, many have moved on to college (omg! Juniors going off to get an education?) & play ACHA DII.
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posted 14 January 2010 12:17
hey hey!! ...can't we all just get along and play nice in the 'sandbox'?
posted 14 January 2010 12:23
From The Helena Independent Record 1/13/2010: Head Coach Scott Cunningham (Helena) and Head Coach Jay Miller (Eugene) comment on the Showcase and the differences between the divisions. http://www.helenair.com/sports/article_e5671dee-000c-11df-b236-001cc4c002e0.html
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posted 14 January 2010 12:49
good to see the coache(s) take on the league and I have to agree with Cunningham. I think the make up of teams starts with the coaches and their coaching staff in the off season, promoting their programs outside the local talent. Not saying they shouldn't consider local talent, just that IMO if a team has their eyes on being national bound they need to recruit the best team they can get.
posted 14 January 2010 13:33
Shooter if thought that game was exciting retire from hockey. It was a snoozefest. no energy, a handful of chances at best, slow plodding skating. Compared to the speed that was displayed the week before it was criminal. Each goalie might have been challenged twice to make saves otherwise the shots were all long distance poor angle jobs, kinds like your toupee.
If you like that type of hockey confine yourself to the 2 and 16 Pacific Divison, personnaly I would rather see them skate then coast, but maybe thats why you don't have a team to coach anymore.
I, too was at the Seattle/Missoula "Snoozefest" and I have to agree......WITH SHOOTER! I won't go as far to say that you lack deep knowledge of the game not to see it but, c'mon. This game had several in tight chances and was pretty much an up and down affair. Maybe watching all of the hack and slash hookfests that you are accustomed to in the Stone of Yellow has numbed your senses. The game had all the drama you would want in a 1-0 game. Granted it wasn't like the old Colorado/Detroit match ups of the '90s but it certainly wasn't a snoozefest.
Perhaps they should bring back the CBA to your neck of the woods,Centerman. The 12-7 games seem more up your alley. God forbid two goalies actually step up and turn in pretty good performances.
I'm no professor of the game but I know a decent game when I see one.
And lastly...Shooter a coach? Are you kidding me? Read this guy's posts.
posted 14 January 2010 17:11
Three boys then you to are smoking somthing. The game was disjointed, players unable to control the puck when it was passed to them and hit them on their stick. A referee who seemed disinterested in anything other than mouth guard pentalties. Almost no physcial play. No one taking a hit to make a play, too many dump and change, with almost no forecheck pressure. I do enjoy a tight 1 to 0 or 2 to 1 game but it has to be marked with good play that game was not. It was sloppy, overall bad hockey. Way to much time spent in the neutral zone.
Those teams sleepwalked through that game. No goalie stood on their head other than a when their were a couple of defensive breakdowns. The only goal was a fluke scored off a misplayed puck where the goalie followed the player not the puck the player had just lost control of. Compared to other games I have seen in the Norpac this year, it was just bad hockey. I would rather see the boys skating and moving themselves and the puck, this game had neither.
posted 14 January 2010 18:45
Before this get too far out of hand let me says this: for those of you who thought the Seattle Missola game was good hockey, I am happy for you, for me it was not. for me it was like watching paint dry. I don't need a high scoring game but watching one team fail to generate even 10 shots a period and watch a goalie face 30+ dump in's isn't entertaining. I prefer crisp passing, supported rushes, good puck movement and quality chances. That's just me.
For me the game was played at a snails pace, but again I am comparing it to the Missoula Helena games in Whitefish and Helena the week before. In both of those games the teams played with energy, speed and emotion. All of which, again in my opinion were lacking last Saturday in Billings.
Doesn't mean you have to agree but that's the game I watched. So if you thought the kid's played hard great, but doesn't mean I have to think that too.
posted 15 January 2010 07:34
While I doubt you were there in either Whitefish or Missoula, one coils assume you watched those games on the web. The only reason I am making this asumption is that you claim to be from Wyoming. Of course, that could be a faux place of origion. You would then join the ranks of the phonies out there who hide in anonymity and only when they are called out, reveal their identity. The head check writer on the Mauler$ is the latest fraud that was added to this of these guys who are fed up with their team getting bashed out there and remove their mask for all to see. The problem with doing that is that all the mud you slung in anonymity is now attached to you. Compare it the latest Jay Leno / Conan O'Brien saga. How can Leno possibly just slide back into his time slot and enjoy the ratings he once did. His true colors are flushed out. He is not the good guy everyone thinks he is. He should have stayed underground with his bitterness towards NBC and his lame show. The owner of Ft. Van East should have learned that lesson.
As Sweet Pee likes to remind me, we should all let this go as it was a whole 3 years ago. 3 years...wow! Not exactly a lifetime in the hockey world. What's the big deal? Phoenix did it for years! Fresno, Boise and El Paso do it now! Big deal right?
The big deal is when teams like your beloved San Diego can no longer compete with the spenders and say, ***** it and shut the doors. It will be hard enough for teams to stay afloat in this economy.
I got side tracked. How I strayed from essentially calling out Centerman's opinion on what is a good game vs. what isn't got away from me. Centerman, I am not attacking your opinion. After all, it's yours. You have it in your mind that the Seattle/Mi$$oula game was boring. No problem. You made some good points and we move on.
As for my opinion, it doesn't really matter whether you like it or not. I am merely trying to revive this dead board anyways.
All I do is look at this league and write what I see or what I hear. I love hockey in this area and don't want to see it go. After the showcae it shows what needs to be done in the West to make better parity. It also shows what some organizations have done to get there. At least, from what has been told to the 'ol shooter. Ring the bell, someone else's turn
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posted 15 January 2010 07:42
Shooter, thanks for your response (Mahoney) Thought maybe you were talking about Pino of Helena who was on Pioneers also . Sweet p. Thanks for your concerns about the "past".
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posted 15 January 2010 08:03
Now this is my type of thread!!
Centerman, you have really shown me your knowledge of the game. Lets analyze the Missoala/Seattle game for a second; Hmmmmm......... 10 or less shots per period, tough time getting good passes through, 30+ dumps. Whats that add up to? Oh ya thats it, TRAPPING. If you couldn't identify this in the first minute of watching the game then keep watching and someday you may get it and if not then sit back and enjoy whatever game it is you're watching or maybe switch to B-ball for some thrilling 122-120 scores. High scoring games are generally tactically weak. Me, I like to see the battle play out. It reminds me of good coaching but you may not be familiar with that either.
Oh, and Shooter with a toupee now that is beautiful. Classic
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posted 15 January 2010 08:39
Shooter I was in Whitefish and Helena, skied in the snowstorm at Big Mountain there on the 1st. I live and work in Wyoming so my location is accurate. I watch the Missoula games because that's where the boy plays. And honestly compared to what we went through last year in the WSHL this year has been great. I haven't seen most of the things you have accused ownership of, but then the times I am in Missoula I spend watching my son skate. While I realize you like to stir the pot, we can agree to disagree.
AJ the only problem with your trapping theory is that the team that only allowed the less than 10 a period (Missoula) doesn't trap. They run 1 2 2 forecheck. If Seattle traps then the 40+ "shots" were tannamont to abject failure of that plan. My observations seem to be my own, no flow, poor puck control, both teams having a tough time on the pp breakouts, and such. Like I said above that's okay, but I have seen much better from the Missoula side and have come to expect much more from them. That game was a step down for them, I just hope they get it back otherwise the Quake will take them tonight.
posted 15 January 2010 09:47
As Sweet Pee likes to remind me, we should all let this go as it was a whole 3 years ago. 3 years...wow! Not exactly a lifetime in the hockey world. What's the big deal? Phoenix did it for years! Fresno, Boise and El Paso do it now! Big deal right?
The big deal is when teams like your beloved San Diego can no longer compete with the spenders and say, ***** it and shut the doors. It will be hard enough for teams to stay afloat in this economy.
Shooter - If you can't prove it, don't type it.(postings are archived) San Diego is not my beloved team, I'm a fan who appreciates a good game of hockey. FTV? Met the parents & partied with them in Grand Rapids. A fun group of people. Now I know why I prefer watching the Letterman/Ferguson lineup on CBS! Peace Out!
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posted 15 January 2010 10:16
"One thing that was a disappointment was to see teams add new players or have some on loan just before this event. While many of you think I lack class in my comments, I simply speak in simple terms. So, in simple terms, teams that sat kids that have been there all year for loaners from Wenatchee are just as guilty as the dinks in Wenatchee for even suggesting that teams do this. While I once thought that this outfit was good for our region, these guys have clearly shown how they plan to use this league for whatever means they have, despite the moral and ethical consequence".
Shooter you are right on with this one. I looked at a few mission statements from some of the teams and not one mentioned "to win at any cost" What a slap in the face to the kids that have worked so hard to get their team to where it is. Those teams are out there and they know who they are as well as we do, and they can do it with without any consequences. Regardless it goes on, and I don't think that there is a league out there that dosn't do this. Having said that I also think that are just as many teams that do manage with integrity. I think that you raise quite a few ligitimate points but I am not sure people want to hear them. Although I may not agree with everything that you say I do agree on this one.
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posted 14 January 2010 11:34
posted 14 January 2010 12:17
now that is beautiful. Classic
