posted 21 July 2010 11:05
Question: If a NORPAC team owns the rights to a player (one that played last season for the team) and that player does not report to this year's main camp is there a cut off date so another NORPAC team can pick that player up? AJ - do you know???
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posted 21 July 2010 16:03
In Norpac, a team has a player's rights until they 1) age out; 2) are released; 3) are traded, according to the contracts I have seen. Players are free to go sign with another league, but not another Norpac team. I do believe this is league rules, so covers all teams. It is also the rule in most other leagues, to the best of my knowledge. In other words - players are not free to unilaterally jump ship. On the other hand, most teams will release a player who doesn't want to be with them - either by trade or outright release. Depends on the situation.
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posted 21 July 2010 19:30
Yes Fan. Player is free to arrange his own situation, but the new team must compensate the old team even if it is an inter league move. There are even fees from level to level in some instances.
The only way to be FREE is to obtain an outright release. I am told.
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posted 21 July 2010 23:48
I have always wondered when it comes to teams trading players, why would a team trade for a player that is possibly or more than likely not going to show up? Wouldn't it be in the best interest of your business to pick up a player that you know is going to play the next season?
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posted 22 July 2010 12:41
Houston added some detail, which is all true as well. As for trading, there are myriads of reasons. 1) player is a problem (or has a problem) and the team wants rid of him.2) player wants a different team. 3)team wants a player from another team. 4) team wants to build for future if they are down, or to enhance themselves if they are up. Lots of other specific reasons. As for taking a player that won't show -- lots of cures for that, too. remember that the owners/coaches are a relatively small 'club' and mostly try to get along and work to mutual benefit. If a trade is made for a no-show, additional trades may be made to cure it; the 'books are left open' for a future consideration; cash trades hands; etc. The quality of coaches, owners, and players vary from team to team, so the causes and cures can vary as widely. And remember - when it comes to the players - sometimes they know what they want; sometimes they know what the don't want; sometimes the are clueless pawns; etc. Your questions do not have a set of answers, in short, but a whole bunch of solutions both good and bad that are adaptive to the exact situation in hand. Sorry I can't be more specific, but your question falls into the same category as 'How long is a piece of string?"
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posted 22 July 2010 13:26
Just to clarify. Even as a 'no show', if you are drafted or listed, the team still has some rights to you in a league. Like Fan mentioned, your situation will be a bit different than any other player in most circumstances. You may have your own *preferences* as to who you want to play for and where you want to play, but in the end it boils down to do you want to play? Unless you have the talent of a VERY FEW SELECT players, best suck it up and play, or you end up a 'prima donna' and play no where or everywhere.. AKA 'suitcase'
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posted 29 July 2010 18:11
I guess it is about time to surface and what a good topic to awaken to.
If a player is listed on a teams February 10th (USAH trade deadline) protected list AND he played 10 games (any combination of regular season and playoff games) he is that teams property through the following season.
If a player leaves the league and comes back at any time during the following season and returns to the league, the team that had listed him retains his rights. If the player returns to any other team then the new team must first contact the players prior team in the league and that team has first right of refusal and usually a trade will evolve. If the new team does not contact the old team within 48 hours of contact then the new team owes $2,000.00 and 2 tenders. This rule has been tested a few times.
There is a movement out there trying to make a rule whereas once a player plays 10 games for a team in the league and moves on for whatever reason that team retains the players rights FOREVER in the league. All this does is help the lower tier of teams that put no effort into their programs and can't retain their own players.
Are you confused yet?
As far as no-shows go in trades it is always "buyer beware". If a player doesn't show up there is NO compensation but as was stated before, most teams will try and help each other out but sometimes players just won't report to certain situations/teams. I know of more then one trade where a team has sent one player after another to teams trying to "make right" in a deal even though they are not required to do anything more then what is written on the trade agreement but none of the players report so at one point the deal is just done.
Let the shenanigans begin.
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posted 09 August 2010 05:44
Confusing as it all is, AJ, I think your explanation helped me understand it a bit.
I heard some parents discussing how this all works. The guys sign a 1 year contract with their team, but nobody was sure if after they've played the full season are they free to just go to a different NORPAC team or not. Sounds like they can't, even though their contract was just for one year. It really is all pretty confusing from a parent/spectator standpoint.
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