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WinterUpNorth
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posted 15 March 2011 14:51     Profile for WinterUpNorth   Email WinterUpNorth     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Anyone have any predictions on who will do best at nationals?
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posted 15 March 2011 18:25     Profile for HockeyBoss1   Email HockeyBoss1     Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
first we need to know who's going
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posted 16 March 2011 16:25     Profile for NewFan   Email NewFan     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Then we need to know how they are seeded.

After that, time to start guessing.

But did you Know??? that one of the nationally recognized computer rankers has both Helena and Seattle (of what is considered by many to be the worst league in existance - NORPAC)ranked in the top 5 in Junior A III. The other 3 top 5 teams are the all EJs -- Hitmen and Monarchs, and I can't remember the 3rd.

Since that league deigns to not participate in the tourney, declaring that the champion of their league is of highest importance, I guess we will see the 'Horns and the Totes playing for the title. Ya think?

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posted 16 March 2011 17:28     Profile for NewFan   Email NewFan     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
http://www.juniorhockeyrankings.com/

Should have posted this in the above comment.

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posted 16 March 2011 20:41     Profile for SweetP   Email SweetP     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by NewFan:
http://www.juniorhockeyrankings.com/

Should have posted this in the above comment.


Without having to sign up & pay $9.95 a month, all I can say is, maybe.

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Someone help me out here please. Both #1(St. Louis) and #2(Cleveland) get knocked out in the best of 3 first round.

My question is, does the regular season champion St. Louis get a free ride to nationals? I hope not, they are not deserving of it at all if they get blown out by the #8 seed in the playoffs.

HockeyBoss help me out here


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posted 20 March 2011 18:08     Profile for HockeyBoss1   Email HockeyBoss1     Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
St. Louis has an automatic bid to nationals. Two other teams will also be going.
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posted 20 March 2011 19:15     Profile for olfan   Email olfan     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Pretty sure St. Louis goes by virtue of winning league regular season title and the winner of the Hurster Cup will also go. Thought only 2 teams from the CSHL go.
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posted 20 March 2011 19:34     Profile for NAHH   Email NAHH     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Because the EJ is a no show, MJHL gets 3 for hosting and CSHL, er ANAL, er NA3HL gets 3 for winning Nationals last year.

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Nahh your post doesn't deserve a responce. Are you trying to get your board shut down again?
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posted 21 March 2011 05:53     Profile for 20050   Email 20050     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
The Hitmen won their series with Pittsburg in two games. Both games were fought very hard. The only thing that was a distraction in the series was that the NA Hitmen had a game scheduled right behind the Na3HL game. In my mind the refree's kept their wistle in their pocket and let a lot of things slide. To the refree's credit, it didn't appear that there where any homer calls. The refree's called the game both ways. Good job boys!!!!
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I totally agree with you. I thought both days were reffed fantastically. The only thing that bothers me is the call in OT. At best it was questionable. They did such a good job and did keep their whistles in their pockets the whole time. It leads one to wonder if that whistle wasn't to get the NA game going. Oh well, they earned their money after the game.
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posted 21 March 2011 08:49     Profile for NAHH   Email NAHH     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
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Originally posted by 20050:
Nahh your post doesn't deserve a responce. Are you trying to get your board shut down again?

Ease up. I didn't come up with the acronym, Almost North American League. But to not hurt your feelings, I will not refer to the CSHL/NA3HL with that acronym again.

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posted 21 March 2011 08:49     Profile for 20050   Email 20050     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
My predictions for the Hurster Cup
In Finals:
Chicago in 3
Peoria in 2

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Umm I thought that the Hurster Cup was played round robin like the nationals pools are then the 2 teams with the best records advance? Is this not correct? Could be very interesting. May have a low seed from the league at nationals. Hudson who was the 6 seed from the MnJHL got hot at the right time and took the 3rd bid from their league. Brackets are up in the NorPac forum. Will be interesting to see how things play out and who makes the crossovers. I'm guessing only 1 if any CSHL team will make it. Guess we will see in 2 weeks!! Based off of what I saw at the Nationals last year if the quality of their team is close to the same Helena will be one of the teams to beat. Just not sure if lack of competition throughout the season will hurt them. Walpole also looks to be tough. And that bracket with those 2 teams and Rochester in it seems tough so CSHL3 could be in a world of hurt. I think the eventual National Champs will come from that Bracket personally
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posted 21 March 2011 14:11     Profile for 20050   Email 20050     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Helena what league do they play in? I checked all of the Junior leagues listed at the top of the page and I can't seem to find them. Your kidding right?
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posted 21 March 2011 15:14     Profile for SweetP   Email SweetP     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by 20050:
Helena what league do they play in? I checked all of the Junior leagues listed at the top of the page and I can't seem to find them. Your kidding right?

http://www.norpac.pointstreaksites.com/view/norpac

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posted 21 March 2011 15:20     Profile for madmax   Author's Homepage   Email madmax     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
20050- You're going to find out who Helena is at Nationals.

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posted 21 March 2011 15:45     Profile for 20050   Email 20050     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Thanks sweetp.
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posted 21 March 2011 16:29     Profile for Never Played   Email Never Played     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
20050 brings up an issue.

Hey Dad. Why is NorPac not listed in the top bar along with all the other Junior leagues?


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posted 21 March 2011 17:45     Profile for AJ REIS   Author's Homepage   Email AJ REIS     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Money, plain and simple. Pointstreak charges to be on the top bar. Go figure

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quote:
Originally posted by AJ REIS:
Money, plain and simple. Pointstreak charges to be on the top bar. Go figure

WSHL doesn't use pointstreak. They use time to score.

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quote:
Originally posted by 20050:
Helena what league do they play in? I checked all of the Junior leagues listed at the top of the page and I can't seem to find them. Your kidding right?

Well, let's see who is Helena? They are the NorPac Champs. played 50 league games - won 48 while scoring 400 goals -- way more than enywon esle in junion hockey. Their oponend scored 84. Their Average point differential wwas 6.32 per game. By far the ighest in jr. hockey. Also, not in these stats was a trip to WSHL for a showcase, where they were pairedd with the WSHL best and came home undefeated.

In the playoff, Helene Swept three straight best of 5 matchups. the first opponent was swept all three games. They scored 64 and gave up 14 in nine games. They went 23 of 43 on power plays (56.43%) thile their penalty kill was 93.3%.

These figures were better than during the regular season, where they had a meer 37.5% conversion on power plays and their Penalty Kill ran only 93.3%.

Several of the quoted numbers were 'all jr a' highs for the year. I believe that some may also be all-time highes for jr a hockey, but don't have time to chase that info.

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posted 21 March 2011 21:12     Profile for cosmo46   Email cosmo46     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
re Helena. I watched them play in Vegas. They were very good. Not as dominating as their offensive stats indicate tho. All the games were close in Vegas. Even against San Diego. A couple of them were come from behind wins. I think the WSHL teams may have taken them too lightly.

Regarding their 400 goals...more than half of them came in about 15 games that were double digit wins. Two of those were 20-0 and 28-1 against Butte. Another 12 games had 7-9 goals. So those 27 games accounted for about 250 of their 400 goals.

They are really good and could win it all. But understand that a lot of their offense came against really weak teams.

I know a few of their players. Great kids. Very good players. But I'm pretty sure their point totals wouldn't have been half of what it was if they played in the AJHL. Just sayin...

At the same time, lord help the teams that takes them lightly.


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Make that 296 of their 400 goals in those 27 games. 48 came in just 2 games. Again, not taking anything away from this team who, should anyone not take them seriously, does so at their own peril.
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posted 22 March 2011 08:46     Profile for Never Played   Email Never Played     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
To AJ:

I was referring to the top bar of this blog site, not PointStreak. NorPac isn't listed at the top of this site. Maybe it is the same issue? Does the owner of this site charge to be listed at the top?


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posted 22 March 2011 09:38     Profile for 20050   Email 20050     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Never played my thought also.
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I am curious about the CSHL/NA3HL and 20050 seems to have a lot of answers with his rankings system which rates all of the CSHL/NA3HL clubs higher than the other leagues (Battle Creek 0-45, 44th of 72)and other knowledge at his disposal.

The league presented itself to USA Hockey as a name change only. But the NA3HL literature clearly points to the fact that they are the gateway to the NAHL.

So, I took a look at Chicago's rosters, a team that HB1 and 20050 seem to think is a powerhouse.

Players by age 1990 through 1993

NAHL 5-9-7-2
NA3HL 4-11-8-2

It shows that next year the NAHL club will only lose five (5) players. Based upon their current make-up I would think they would pick up mostly 1992 and 1993 birth years as they will automatically have double the number of twenty-year-olds over this year.

The NA3HL club will lose 4 players to age and I can't see them moving 11 1991 players up with no room at the top. They also don't have a large crop of 1992-1993 age players to move up.

This all seems antithetical to a real player development model if the goal, as stated in the literature, is to move players to the next level (ie; NAHL). It seems more about winning at both levels. 20050 please correct me if I'm wrong in my reasoning.


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Coach, I don't have any inside information. I don't have a player in their system. I think their program is a mess for the exact reason that you mentioned. I don't know why they are doing what they are doing and don't agree with it. Your thinking appears to be right on. I think next year you'll see a completely different NA team and perhaps some turn over in the NA3. Hopefully they realize that in order to be considered a great organization it has to go back to the primary goal of any junior program which is to move the players up to the next level. Hopefully that helps.
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I agree completely. I've stated it before. Not a fan of that organization at all. That doesn't mean they're not good, though.
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posted 23 March 2011 11:55     Profile for elpresidente   Email elpresidente     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
sitting here thinking i just read something about the hitmen , took me awhile to remember what it was http://thepucktalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=192 wonder if they will even be around next year.
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Last night was a convincing win for the Chicago Hitmen. Considering all the drama outside of the team it's good that the boy's are focusing at the mission at hand. On the other hand my beloved Peoria team let me down. They lost and it makes my prediction look cloudy. Tonights match up of the Hitmen and Mustanges will be a good game. I have to go with the Hitmen. HB1 what do you think?
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I'm actually going with the Mustangs on this one. I think Chicago has a little better team, but the Mustangs are going to be hungry coming off the loss. 4-3 Mustangs.
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posted 25 March 2011 19:39     Profile for Ol red   Email Ol red     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Nice pick hb

So now we know it will be Queen City and Chicago. Any predictions on the useless game Satuday they will play and the Championship game on Sunday?


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I think the Saturday game was canceled. Only Peoria and Quad City are listed to play.
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