I know a north division would have been nice with Duluth, Cloquet, Hibbing, and Spooner. Then you could have had a central division with Maple Grove, St. Cloud, Isanti, and Little Falls and a southern division with Edina, Bloomington, Hudson, and Rochester.

Now what do you all know about this?
Any of these rumors really going to happen?

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Originally posted by Cross Check:
One rumor that I have heard is confirmed: The EJHL won't be coming to Rochester next season for Nationals. Actually, who cares, defending champs are from the CSHL not the EJHL.

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Originally posted by Chuck:

Where will they go or will they not even attend a national? Will they go to Tier II nationals?

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Originally posted by SweetP:

I would think sanctions should or would be imposed due to a "failure to appear"? It happens in court all the time.

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Originally posted by Chuck:

I can't imagine that USA Hockey could do that. I can't believe that anyone would be mandated to have to go.

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So if a league chooses not to participate at USAH Natl's, why don't they create an outlaw league & play amongst themselves? Oh no wait, that's been done but we're not permitted to mention the A*HL on the jungle drums.

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Originally posted by SweetP:

So if a league chooses not to participate at USAH Natl's, why don't they create an outlaw league & play amongst themselves? Oh no wait, that's been done but we're not permitted to mention the A*HL on the jungle drums.

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Originally posted by Chuck:

Two or three things to consider. First the head of the junior council is the former head of the EJHL. Second, neither the NAHL nor the USHL compete in a "national" tournament. Sure they call it that, but the reality is that it is nothing more than a league playoff with a "National Champion" title attached to the winner. Why should the EJHL be any different? Or what if they have a "national" playoff with the NAHL?

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Point 1: we all know that.
Point 2: kinda double talking yourself, Tier I & Tier II are leagues unto themselves. Tier III is comprised of several leagues. Therefore, the only way to settle top dog is to hold a National tournament where ALL the Tier III leagues are represented.

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I'll just settle the Nationals issue right now. CSHL top dog. Why even play the games?

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Oh Mr Check........you have it so right! (Considering I knew one of the St Louis players)Attended a killer victory party at his folks' house I might add.

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Originally posted by SweetP:

Point 1: we all know that.
Point 2: kinda double talking yourself, Tier I & Tier II are leagues unto themselves. Tier III is comprised of several leagues. Therefore, the only way to settle top dog is to hold a National tournament where ALL the Tier III leagues are represented.

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That's not double talking. We all know, or should know, that the EJHL is a Tier III league unto itself. It just so happens that they also now include several glorified Jr. B leagues with the exception of the CSHL and maybe the MJHL.

We all also know that the reason for this designation was purely financial.

We all also know that the number of DI commitments from the EJHL team in the Championship game was in the double digits.

We all also know that the number of commitments from every other league represented, is not double digits and would be non-existent if not for the AJHL.

We all know that people will argue that is because of their proximity to east coast schools. We all know that several of those Jr. Blues players will play DI hockey someday, but at this point, how many Jr. Blues have made college commitments after proving they could beat two EJHL teams?

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Chuck,
Through the years posters on these jungle drums have read all about the self praising of the EJHL.
Yes, the EJHL is an excptional league
Yes, the EJHL take pride in sending players on to college
Yes, Tier IIIA was created to accommodate the EJHL's need to separate from the "B" stigma without having to fork over the $$$ it takes to play at Tier I or II.
However, the EJHL is also a part of the USAH Juniors Tier III system. If the rumor is true that they choose not to participate in MN next year, that's just poor sportsmanship.
To be sure, the folks in MN don't bite strangers. And the MNJHL league will be just as hospitable as the folks were in Grand Rapids.

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I never said it wasn't poor sportsmanship. I said I can't believe that they were obligated to send a team. If you search back deep into the history of nationals, how many teams disbanded after a trip to nationals? If memory serves me correctly there were a couple from your region of the country that fall into that category. Should a team have to make the decision of long-term viability vs. one weekend of hockey? No one knows the reason. Is it the cost to attend? Is there something in the works where they have a "national" with the NAHL? Are they choosing to just not participate? It is all speculation until we hear from the source.

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Well let's see... the word Nationals implies that all members of an organizaton congregate in 1 spot. So yes, all leagues that are members of said organization are obligated to send representatives. Yes, travel is expensive for all teams, however, that's where the marketing dept. & booster clubs come into play. Most clubs have done a terrific job at fundraising & finding sponsors.
Can't compare Tier II (NAHL) to Tier III, completely different structures.

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Show me where it says they are obligated. And if Tier I and Tier II call it a National Championship, then yes you can compare them. Maybe they are going to consider their league playoff champions the National Champions too. These teams can barely afford to stay afloat as it is. Who has the budget for a Marketing Deptartment? This isn't the USHL or even NAHL. That is why they are Tier III Jr. A and not Tier I or II.

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Puckpuppy, I think you need to go pick up your dodo, because you continue to step in it. I have been to a national in your state, read my post above. It was the best national I had ever been to up until Grand Rapids. I also said that I thought it was poor sportsmanship, again your inability to read caused you to step in your dodo again.

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olD LIP JACK, the cshl is the top dog !!!
thats funny they have 1-one- team that is worth talking about and yes the are the champs so let me ask old lip jack how long do you think that will last???,the cshl has always been a 1 ( one ) horse show and they could know just give St Louis a birth to nats. and not even play any other games- old lip jack, Q what have you done ( lip jack) for the St Louis Jr Blues other then bolw your horn and be a complete jack *** ?????

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Obviously you are confused. In the past 10 years the MnJHL has had 2 representatives in the National Championship game. Iron Range (no longer a team) and Dubuque (lost to St. Louis 8-2 then moved to CSHL). In those same 10 years the CSHL has had 9 representatives in the National Championship Game and have won Nationals 6 times.

2002 Metro wins Championship
2003 St. Louis Runners Up
2004 St. Lois wins Championship, Peoria Runners Up
2005 St. Louis wins Championship (8-2 over MnJHL Dubuque)
2006 St. Louis wins Championship, Toledo Runners Up
2007 St. Louis wins Championship
2010 St. Louis wins Championship

Now you call the CSHL a one team league, however in the past 10 years the CSHL has been represented 3 times in the National Championship Game by teams other than St. Louis. In those same 10 years the CSHL has had 7 teams represented in the Final Four of Nationals BESIDES St. Louis! Only a fool would call that a one team league. But I'm not surprised that you did.

As far as the EJ not going to Rochester, really old news as 3 years ago they stated they wouldn't leave the East Coast to attend Nationals. Oh well, it give leagues like the MnJHL a chance to make it to a title game, good for them.

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If you take St Louis out of the mix you have 3 showings in 10 years I would think that makes you a 1 horse race and just so we are clear I have now and have always Loved St Louis and DBQ ( who is now gone ) so if you and Chuckie dont like the way we stick up for our boys then go blow your horns on your own site were you will get the cuddling you need , 2 darn donkeys... Go get drunk and be somebody

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7 Teams BESIDES St. Louis have made it to the Final Four. At some point and time facts have to give way to partisan blind loyalty. Facts clearly show the REST of the CSHL has fared better than the ENTIRE MnJHL. St. Louis has been awesome, but the rest of the CSHL has proven to be awesome too. Unfortunately some won't get past blind loyalties to see the truth.

EJ needs to come to Rochester to shut up the crybabies.

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As far as the EJ goes, simple issue, it is not worth it to them to spend the money. USA Hockey should make it more costly to stay home than to participate. Just my lil opinion.

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